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JLBG

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Hello! I am new here and writing on behalf of my father. He currently owns two female Spinones. The older will shortly be 3 years old and the younger is 1 and 1/2. We have questions regarding the older female.

A few months after purchasing her (she was several months old already), she had some seizures and was then spayed. She hasn't had the seizures since but for the past year (about) she has been suffering from hair loss. Each of her sides is missing big patches of hair. The hair loss doesn't afflict any other parts of her body but the spots run most of the length of her side and are pretty wide. We have had her to the vet and had her blood tested, everything is normal. The vets have tried different antibiotics and doses and the results vary. The first time she was on an antibiotic, it cleared up and looked perfect but that didn't last long. The second time there was limited hair growth. This past dose it was looking good, not completely grown back in but ALMOST when she lost it all again.

The vets seem at a loss and we don't know what else to do. Otherwise she is happy and healthy. She eats well, sleeps well and has no digestive issues. We have tried other products as well that are supposed to aid in hair loss but nothing has worked. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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» Subject: Re: Skin Issues
There are two things that I know of that can cause hair loss like you describe. The first is low thyroid, which can be tested with a simple blood test, and possibly already has been.
The second is Cushings Disease, and the testing for that is a bit more complicated. Your father should discuss these two possibilities with his vet.
Good luck!

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Sue, thank you. I know he already tested for low thyroid, that came back fine. I will have to mention Cushings and have him look into that. The dog is perfectly happy and healthy otherwise. Doesnt seem bothered by the hair loss and it doesn't irritate her but there is obviously some big problem going on that we can't seem to figure out.

Thanks again!

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Just spoke to my father, she was tested for Cushings. She doesn't have that or the low thyroid.

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Is the dog going between something that may rub her sides, dog door, fence,etc. What is she laying on? Have you checked for food allergies? Ted

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Ted, she is a VERY timid dog. She is good with my father and family but terrified of other people and anything new on the property. She likes to spend the majority of her time in her crate (it is wire and door is almost ALWAYS open). If she isn't outside she is typically in there. She doesn't go far from it when she is out of it. My father has tried to get her to come further out of it but all she does when she is away from it is stand there with something in her mouth (toy, bone, etc) and wag her tail. And she won't go much further than a few feet from it. All toys and bones are played with in the crate. She has been like this from day one. It is completely odd but she seems happy. The only time she is ever upset is if she is the only dog left in the house (if the others are outside without her). My father puts old comfortors down in her crate for her to lie on and we have never seen her rub her sides on the crate. She is always in the center. And they tested for allergies, nothing was found.

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» Subject: Re: Skin Issues
Sounds like you have explored about every avenue possible. Have you wondered if she could be vitamin deficient in something or possibly even stress related since she is very timid and unsure of herself? Maybe a supplement of some sort would help. Although she seems otherwise happy and healthy maybe she needs something added to her diet. I know there are supplements for about every ailment out there today. Hopefully someone or something can help you resolve this soon. I will be anxious to hear of a remedy, please keep us posted.

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Yeah, we have tried everything we can think of. We purchased a supplement (in powder form) that was to be mixed with yogurt and given at every meal. My father was having issues understanding the amount to be given and when to increase so I had to do it. I HATE yogurt, the smell alone (plain or otherwise) makes me gag, but everyday I mixed up this supplement for her. Didn't do anything either. The bottle said that it may take a while, we tried longer than that. I am constantly looking for new things to try. We don't think it is stress related because her life is VERY simple and there really isn't much change to her daily routine. And this last antibiotic that was working great and then suddenly stopped, stopped for no reason. Absolutely nothing different happened around the time of the hair loss this last time. It just makes no sense. But we will definitely keep looking into it and if something does work (for good) I will be sure to tell you what it is.

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I know you seemed to have tried everything but please don't give up. I'm feeling your frustration and can't easily let this one go.
I do recall years ago we had to make a temporary move to another state. Our oldest Griffon was starting to go blind at the time. Although he seemed perfectly content as long as he was with us we believe that he was exhibiting signs of stress because he started losing his beautiful coat for no reason whatsoever. Like people, dogs have different ways of exhibiting stress. Other people may not notice we people are under stress because we seem perfectly happy or content but we can feel it. We may have a stomach problem or high blood pressure, whatever. I've seen people under stress lose their hair too which is even harder on them because others notice it. So, with our old Griff boy, we tried 3 things at once. We switched his dogfood to one with no corn and one that had lots of good ingredients, Canidae. We added some Linotone Plus (liquid) to his food everyday and we also gave him a calming supplement (don't recall the name) in a chewy dog treat form. Within weeks his coat came back in, darker than before and very healthy and shiny. I'm convinced it was at least one or a combination of the 3 that got his beautiful coat back.

I know all situations are different and I wish I had the answer for you. It tears me up at the thought of your father's Spinone girl loosing the beautiful Spinone coat.

One other thing to take into consideration, could this possibly be hereditary? Contact the breeder, maybe they can research back to see if the parents or grandparents had the same ailment.

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I understand stress causing hairloss but this dog has the dullest routines. She is more than content sitting in her crate all day (her choice and with the door open) and my father does his best not to stress her out because she has had seizures. She hasn't had once since she was spayed but he doesn't want to risk it again. He hasn't moved, her crate hasn't moved, absolutely nothing is different. The only thing is that it all started after she was spayed but the vets have tested for everything.

I will mention linatone to my father. I have used it in the past on a dog that lost hair and had dandruff but I didn't think it worked. But all dogs are different.

I am not sure if he spoke to the breeders about it. I would have to ask. It has been going on for some time now so I would be surprised if he didn't mention it to them. I will tell him to give them a call when he can and see what they say, if he hasn't already.

Thanks!

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I see you have tried many things. Have you given any thought to looking into a holistic approach? Please let us all know how you make out.

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Hi. I also had a spinone with this problem. We thought initially that it was the thyroid but it wasn't. She developed it when she was about 18 months old and like you describe it appeared on her flanks on both sides but nowhere else. We tried all sorts of homopathic remedies but all to no avail. It went away after she'd had a litter but came back intermittently throughout her life. She died a few years ago at the grand age of 14. My advice to you is to stop worrying! Your vet has carried out every test that would be relevant and therefore unless there are other symptoms that would cause concern the best thing you can do is buy her a nice coat! My only thoughts as to the cause would possibly be hormonal, especially as she has been spayed. Hope this helps.

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Bex,

Thanks! It is nice to know we aren't the only ones to deal with this. At this point we do feel it will be a life long thing. We have tried everything and had her tested for everything. It doesn't seem to be bothering her so we will keep trying but not stress about it.

Thanks!

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This sounds very much like the problem I came here to have adressed ... our three-year-old spayed female developed patchy hair loss on both sides about two months ago.

Two patches are about dollar bill size, the other is about half that size. There is some hair remaining in these effected areas (about 25%). There is no itching, nibbling, scratching or discomfort involved. The problem does not appear to be spreading. We've looked at environmental issues (things in her cage etc...) but really no change from the past. And she leads quite a low-stress, high-activity life.

Since we are coming out of a vicious, low-humidity winter here in the Midwest, I was wondering if some of the problem is dryness-related. That does not appear to be the case as hydrocortisone cream did nothing to help.

The Vet suggested a change to lamb/rice diet. After two-plus weeks, we haven't seen an improvement, nor a worsening.

If we have a breakthrough, I'll let folks here know. I would appreciate the same, please!

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Just curious ... as I was looking at the timing of the first post (January) and the fact that this seems to occur in cycles in some cases, have any of your Vets suggested this may be Seasonal Flank Alopecia? Here's a link to a very general overview of the condition.

http://www.mckeevervetderm.com/documents/diseases/Flank%20Alopecia.pdf

There is a more in-depth discussion at: www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/seasonalalopecia.htm

Looks as if Melatonin commonly used to treat this with mixed results.

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Just an update on this ... we did try to treat this as Seasonal Flank Alopcia. And sure enough as soon as Spring rolled around the balding patches have slowly begun to fill.

Ours has alway been an active/outdoors dog. But we are making sure she is out for at least 2-3 more hours a day. I've also been giving her 5mg of time-released Melatonin (via pill) twice a day (morning and night). I do not know if this has factored into the hair growth or not but it's a very cheap/non-harmful attempt to assist.

Once the hair grows back we will take her off the Melatonin and keep her daylight exposure high. In September we'll start the Melatonin again. Our hope is to avoid this becoming a seasonal event.

An important note - our Vet was unfamiliar with the concept of Seasonal Flank Alopecia. If your dog has symmetrical hair loss issues it might be worth brining it up during your next visit.

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Hopefully you have found your answer, but I agree with the person who suggested trying a holistic veterinarian.

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It has been several months. We have been adding apple cider vinegar to her water and the results have been absolutely amazing. Almost all the hair has grown back in except a patch on each side approximately 2"x3". We are next going to try switching her over to TOTW as we have heard wonderful things about it and my neo is doing great on it now.

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TOTW is wonderful, I swear by it. We feed it to our four dogs. It is very worth the price we pay as they all are all healthy with beautiful coats. I am a firm believer that the dog food makes the difference. I would like to know how she does after she has been on it for several weeks. Good Luck!
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